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Bayard

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19. Guarantees were already made when Ukraine gave up all its nukes

Reply to OldBaldy1701E (Reply #3)

Mon Dec 29, 2025, 01:28 PM

Dec 29

We see how that's worked.

trump, "considering," on providing protection for more years, like Zelensky wants, is crap. Its not up to him, and if it was Putin asking, it would be shoved down Ukraine's throat.

Zelensky asks, Putin demands.

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Zelensky: 15-year US security guarantee part of peace proposal [View all] BumRushDaShow Dec 29 OP

Any agreement with Trump is meaningless. Irish_Dem Dec 29 #1

I was just about to reply..... wolfie001 Dec 29 #2

Trump will play both ends. Exact a huge amount of money from both Ukraine and Russia. Irish_Dem Dec 29 #7

I think he will only extract money from Ukraine MadameButterfly Dec 29 #21

It would be interesting to see the real transactions behind the scenes. Irish_Dem Dec 29 #23

I just haven't heard MadameButterfly Dec 29 #27

He is asking Putin to stop blackmailing him. Irish_Dem Dec 29 #30

Well, yes. But blackmail never really ends MadameButterfly Dec 30 #34

Exactly. Putin doesn't care what Trump wants. Irish_Dem Dec 30 #35

President Zelenskyy needs to understand that. OldBaldy1701E Dec 29 #3

Guarantees were already made when Ukraine gave up all its nukes Bayard Dec 29 #19

Yep. OldBaldy1701E Dec 29 #20

Zelensky understands who he is dealing with MadameButterfly Dec 29 #22

"Hoping to survive until the US gets rid of Trump." OldBaldy1701E Dec 29 #25

Ha. Yes, I guess that's the sized of it. MadameButterfly Dec 29 #28

Any agreement with shithole and Putin is meaningless................ Lovie777 Dec 29 #11

Putin and Trump will double cross everyone including each other. Irish_Dem Dec 29 #16

What could Ukraine do if Trump reneged on any such agreement? Emrys Dec 29 #31

Yes I understand Zelensky has to do Kabuki Theater right now. Irish_Dem Dec 29 #32

Vlad will... Mike Nelson Dec 29 #4

And send over some hookers and kids. Irish_Dem Dec 29 #17

Unfortunately the US has become a four year organization! Hope22 Dec 29 #5

Trump doesn't follow rules JBTaurus83 Dec 29 #6

The only way to make this a binding agreement thucythucy Dec 29 #8

It would be meaningless angrychair Dec 29 #15

Huh uh, that dog don't hunt. no_hypocrisy Dec 29 #9

There already is a security guarantee Bluestocking Dec 29 #10

I wouldn't trust the US for anything. Trump is lying. travelingthrulife Dec 29 #12

Except for revenge, a guarantee from Trump is a joke. Norrrm Dec 29 #13

Our word is meaningless angrychair Dec 29 #14

Smart move would be during that time - build and hide Nukes, Dan Dec 29 #18

So gee, who would I trust the most not to lie about this. ananda Dec 29 #24

It's a lie. Safe as Milk Dec 29 #26

"I would like the guarantee to be much longer," Zelensky said, MorbidButterflyTat Dec 29 #29

"Guarantee" means nothing to Trump: he is a chronic reneger and breacher of contracts Prairie Gates Dec 29 #33

Assuming the US gets a POTUS who is not a Trump, maxsolomon Dec 30 #36