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NNadir

(36,695 posts)
44. It's rather amazing that our experience is so similar.
Mon Oct 6, 2025, 02:39 PM
Monday

My Dad - who only had an 8th grade education was Superintendent of the Sunday School. (He set the record for raising money for the new Sunday School building.) My mother (with a 10th grade education) was a Sunday School teacher.

And yes it was an Episcopalian church.

With my parents I was in the atheist closet, and I was "asked" without really a right to refuse, to teach the 5th grade Sunday School.

I did it straight for two or three Sundays for my class which was all boys. I could see they were bored out of their minds. I told them if I had unanimous consent, we could skip the lessons and discuss any topic they wanted to discuss, so long as everyone agreed to keep the decision between us. They all agreed and that's what we did.

It seems in retrospect that I could have gotten in huge trouble, but I never did.

A funny thing was that in my folksinging days, I became fascinated with the great guitarist and singer Josh White, whose repertoire consisted almost entirely of spirituals. I had renditions of a few of his pieces in my performances. Why, I can't say. I just liked the music. My aunts told my mother when she got sick that I couldn't be an atheist because I sang and played those songs. They didn't realize that I used to also have a version of Joni Mitchell's "Woman of Heart and Mind" without being a woman.

At my mother's funeral my aunts wanted me to sing and play some Josh White tunes. I declined, but I did set up a record player to play a Josh White album of his rendition of "His Eye Is on the Sparrow."


I sing because I'm Happy.
I sing because I'm free...


It was a very beautiful piece of music.

That was an occasion where I faked religiosity. It was the least I could do for my father and my aunts, who had done so much to carry me through those terrible times, taking care of her as she died.

That was decidedly not a time to assert my views on faith or lack thereof.

It is notable that many of them prayed, brought in religious talismans so on and so on as my mother laid dying. The result of that experiment is that my mother died, which didn't change their hypothesis that a powerful and personal god exists in their minds but validated my hypothesis that no such being existed.

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I am polite and respectful. My family is also. Srkdqltr Sunday #1
Out as an atheist. joshdawg Sunday #2
I certainly respect your view. I'm not there myself, but I respect it. NNadir Sunday #6
I say I'm not religious, I'm philosophical about my morals Nigrum Cattus Sunday #3
My family was also seriously catholic buzzycrumbhunger Sunday #4
"... the easter bunny left me a book with tarot cards in my basket..." CrispyQ Sunday #9
LOL at that last toon! Bayard Sunday #17
Wish I had the ovum to be a bitch. Collimator Sunday #10
I think being female adds another layer... buzzycrumbhunger Sunday #22
Standing up for yourself isn't "bitchy" IbogaProject Monday #41
Over the course of my life every Atheist I have met BigmanPigman Monday #45
In some certian circumstances i will show respect gay texan Sunday #5
I certainly am not "closeted" with complete strangers. I'll do it to avoid pain for people I love. NNadir Sunday #8
Yes..... gay texan Sunday #25
I am pretty much where you are rurallib Monday #40
Seems only other heathens would be aware that you didn't bow your head. CrispyQ Sunday #7
I do a fair amount of woodworking for churches. Woodwizard Sunday #11
"When one person suffers from a delusion, it is called insanity. When many people suffer from a delusion it is called a twodogsbarking Sunday #12
I like that locution. Hopefully you will not be offended if I steal it regularly. NNadir Sunday #13
Epicurean paradox is another zinger IbogaProject Monday #42
I am out as an agnostic NewHendoLib Sunday #14
I feel safely out with professional colleagues, but very closeted with family. Religion strong on both sides of the tree eppur_se_muova Sunday #15
I suspect that Thomas Jefferson was an atheist. I also believe, although he clearly was changed by the Civil War... NNadir Sunday #19
with TFG... NewLarry Sunday #36
Closeted. I'm afraid if MAGA and the crappy fundies. AllyCat Sunday #16
I am an out Atheist. Eko Sunday #18
Closeted agnostic anciano Sunday #20
utterly out mike_c Sunday #21
Unapologetic atheist. no_hypocrisy Sunday #23
An interesting story. Your father could accept your atheism just so long as you weren't Muslim. NNadir Sunday #24
Oh, there's more. I "came out" to my mother. no_hypocrisy Sunday #26
I consider myself agnostic Skittles Sunday #27
That's pretty close to where I'm at. n/t. NNadir Sunday #31
I was closeted when my parents were alive. Girard442 Sunday #28
If they are obnoxious in my place, they cannot do what animals do. GreenWave Sunday #29
If ask I often say I'm a Red Letter Christian. multigraincracker Sunday #30
I openly admit I'm an Atheist LogDog75 Sunday #32
Out. sinkingfeeling Sunday #33
Open atheist. tblue37 Sunday #34
Closeted church musician atheist oberle Sunday #35
Every Christmas, my wife and I travel up to Bethlehem, PA for the Lehigh University Christmas Vespers. NNadir Sunday #37
I'm respectful to others, but... wysimdnwyg Sunday #38
Yep I don't seek it out but I will participate if I go IbogaProject Monday #39
It's rather amazing that our experience is so similar. NNadir Monday #44
I am out because I want to normalize non-believers Envirogal Monday #43
Proudly Open Faux pas 12 hrs ago #46
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